Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 106

03/16/2009 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 16, 2009                                                                                         
                           8:03 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz, Vice Chair                                                                                 
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Robert L. "Bob" Buch                                                                                             
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW(S):  DROP-OUT PREVENTION                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LARRY LEDOUX, Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Education and Early Development (EED)                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided an overview of issues related to                                                                
the dropout prevention.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER DOUNAY, Senior Policy Analyst                                                                                          
Education Commission of the States                                                                                              
Denver, Colorado                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Reviewed the presentation entitled "Dropout                                                              
Prevention:  Recent Research and State Policy Responses."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:03:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PAUL  SEATON called the House  Education Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to  order at 8:03  a.m.  Representatives  Seaton, Wilson,                                                               
Edgmon, Buch,  Keller, and  Gardner were present  at the  call to                                                               
order.    Representative Munoz  arrived  as  the meeting  was  in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW(S):  DROP-OUT PREVENTION                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:03:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
an overview regarding high school  drop-out prevention.  He noted                                                               
that the  committee packet should  include a  PowerPoint entitled                                                               
"Dropout   Prevention:     Recent  research   and  state   Policy                                                               
Responses,"  a  Wikipedia  document entitled  "Education  in  the                                                               
Netherlands," and a number of  other materials from the SouthEast                                                               
Alaska Career  Center (S.E.A.C.C.).   He also noted  that members                                                               
should   have  a   memorandum  from   him   listing  topics   for                                                               
consideration,  including how  to correlate  actual criteria  and                                                               
achievement scores with  graduation and a diploma in  order to be                                                               
an incentive for continued work.   There was also a topic related                                                               
to  the  High  School  Qualifying  Exam and  how  that  would  be                                                               
meaningful in order  to avoid students believing  that passage of                                                               
the  aforementioned  exam means  that  they  don't have  to  work                                                               
anymore.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:06:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARRY  LEDOUX, Commissioner,  Department of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development  (EED), informed  the committee  that he  has brought                                                               
with him various documents  regarding graduation rates, including                                                               
research  from  the  National   Dropout  Prevention  Center  that                                                               
address strategies and summary  statistics regarding why students                                                               
don't make it through school.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:08:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  recalled  the   suggestion  at  a  prior                                                               
hearing  to have  mandatory attendance  begin  at age  six.   She                                                               
inquired   as  to   Commissioner   LeDoux's   thoughts  on   that                                                               
suggestion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  said  that   since  the  department  hasn't                                                               
researched   that   suggestion,   he  couldn't   speak   to   the                                                               
department's opinion.   However,  he related his  personal belief                                                               
that  every child  has access  to quality  education as  early as                                                               
possible.    He  noted  that   research  indicates  that  quality                                                               
education  should begin  at  an  early age,  and  six  may be  an                                                               
appropriate age.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:09:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON inquired  as  to how  many children  don't                                                               
attend school until age seven.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX responded  that he knew of  very few children                                                               
who  don't attend  school  until  age seven.    Drawing from  his                                                               
experience  as  an   elementary  principal,  Commissioner  LeDoux                                                               
opined  that most  parents send  children  to school  as soon  as                                                               
possible.   Those  children  who aren't  attending  school at  an                                                               
early age are usually being homeschooled.   He said, "So, I don't                                                               
see it as a problem in Alaska at this point in time."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON requested additional  information from EED regarding                                                               
an earlier start age for Alaskan children.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:11:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH recalled hearing  remarks that parents intend                                                               
to  withdraw their  junior high/middle  school age  children from                                                               
school in  order to home school  them.  He expressed  interest in                                                               
knowing the numbers of students  in the aforementioned situation.                                                               
He questioned how many children  who are not attending school are                                                               
in the care of their parents.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  highlighted that  the number of  children in                                                               
Alaska is  unknown because parents  don't have to  register their                                                               
children  with the  state.   Therefore, the  only data  available                                                               
regarding  the number  of children  in  the state  would be  from                                                               
permanent fund applications and the  census.  Alaska doesn't have                                                               
a way  in which to  keep track of the  number of children  in the                                                               
state, save the number of  children enrolled in public schools in                                                               
Alaska.  The aforementioned is problematic, he said.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:13:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  indicated that would  seem to be one  of the                                                               
base numbers to acquire.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  noted  his  agreement, adding  that  he  is                                                               
concerned with  the lack of data  on young Alaskans.   In Alaska,                                                               
once a parent says he/she  is home schooling their child, there's                                                               
nothing to be done whether  the child is actually homeschooled or                                                               
not.  Therefore, the attendance log  has many holes in it because                                                               
the state  is very  supportive of  parents' home  schooling their                                                               
children.   Still,  the aforementioned  prevents  the state  from                                                               
knowing  where these  [home schooled]  children are  and ensuring                                                               
that these  children have the  opportunity for an education.   In                                                               
Alaska, once a parent says  he/she is home schooling their child,                                                               
the district  stops all  attempts to determine  what is  going on                                                               
with the  child [education-wise] because  the district  no longer                                                               
has the authority  to investigate whether the  child is receiving                                                               
an education or not.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:14:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH suggested that the  state could work with the                                                               
federal government, which will be  collecting information for the                                                               
2010  census, in  order  to  acquire numbers  of  children.   The                                                               
aforementioned would provide a base number for 2010.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  explained   that  although  the  attendance                                                               
information  provides   good  information,   by  the   time  it's                                                               
available it  tends to be  old information.   He opined  that the                                                               
best  information  can likely  be  gathered  in conjunction  with                                                               
permanent  fund  applications  for  which there  is  an  economic                                                               
interest for parents to register their children.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:15:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  said that  although  he  couldn't recall  all  the                                                               
information  required  on  the  permanent  fund  application,  he                                                               
recalled that  a sponsor  has to  fill out  an application  for a                                                               
minor.   He then highlighted  that the legislature  controls what                                                               
data  is required,  and therefore  data important  for the  state                                                               
could be  required.  To  that end,  he requested that  EED review                                                               
the permanent fund  application and determine whether  there is a                                                               
data  requirement for  a minor's  application that  would provide                                                               
needed information.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  interjected   that  the  permanent  fund                                                               
application  does   require  the   child's  date  of   birth  and                                                               
residence.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON surmised  then that the question is  whether EED, as                                                               
a state agency, can obtain the information.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:17:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  related her  understanding that  the HSQE                                                               
was  originally a  high  school level  exam,  but was  ultimately                                                               
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watered down to a  10  grade level because  of opposition.  Given                                                               
that  the  HSQE  isn't  really  an indicator  that  a  child  has                                                               
mastered  high   school  level  material   and  that  a   lot  of                                                               
information is obtained  from the exams required by  the No Child                                                               
Left  Behind  Act (NCLB),  she  inquired  as  to the  benefit  of                                                               
retaining the HSQE.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX opined  that any time a child  is assessed it                                                               
should inform instruction and specify  what the student knows and                                                               
is able to  do.  Furthermore, an assessment  should be diagnostic                                                               
in  order  that  programs  can  be  redesigned  and  parents  can                                                               
advocate for  their child.   Any  assessment that  doesn't inform                                                               
takes away  from instruction.   Commissioner LeDoux  informed the                                                               
committee that  the reading  and writing  components of  the HSQE                                                               
are  generally at  the sophomore  level while  80 percent  of the                                                               
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math component is at the 8   grade level.  Since the HSQE doesn't                                                               
necessarily inform  parents with  regard to what  can be  done to                                                               
achieve a  higher level  of achievement,  one would  question the                                                               
validity and  usefulness of the HSQE  as a diagnostic tool  for a                                                               
parent or  student to use  to improve the  student's achievement.                                                               
Only about  30 states require  high stakes exams  for graduation,                                                               
he noted.   He  mentioned that the  cut score can  be set  at any                                                               
level that  the state determines.   He suggested a review  of the                                                               
purpose of the  HSQE and whether it provides  good information to                                                               
parents and students.   Commissioner LeDoux opined  that he would                                                               
rather have  any type of  assessment that teachers,  parents, and                                                               
students could  review the students' performance  levels in terms                                                               
of the  skills that are  necessary to achieve a  successful life.                                                               
He  informed the  committee that  currently schools  take six  to                                                               
seven days  of instruction to  administer the  HSQE.  Due  to the                                                               
complexity  of  the  exam, some  schools  essentially  shut  down                                                               
school for juniors  and seniors.  Therefore,  that's a tremendous                                                               
investment  statewide  in  terms of  money,  instructional  time,                                                               
teachers'  salaries, and  learning time.   If  such [an  exam] is                                                               
going  to  be  utilized,  it should  be  determined  whether  the                                                               
investment pays  off.  He  indicated that he didn't  believe many                                                               
people  believe the  HSQE is  paying  off.   Therefore, the  HSQE                                                               
should be  reviewed and standards  should be raised.   Currently,                                                               
the expectations in Alaska are too  low, he opined.  He predicted                                                               
that  students will  achieve whatever  standard that  is set  for                                                               
them; the expectations  for Alaska's students need  to be raised.                                                               
In conclusion,  Commissioner LeDoux  related his belief  that the                                                               
HSQE is not a measure of high expectations.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:21:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER recalled testimony  that some students who                                                               
have passed the three areas of  the HSQE feel that they no longer                                                               
need to attend high school.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   LEDOUX  acknowledged   hearing   such  from   many                                                               
principals  and  parents;  and  opined that  if  the  parent  and                                                               
student  buy into  it, so  it is.   However,  he maintained  that                                                               
passage  of the  HSQE isn't  an  indicator that  they've met  the                                                               
state's high standards for graduation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:22:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON opined  that the schools are  not using the                                                               
HSQE  as a  tool, but  rather are  administering it  only because                                                               
it's a  requirement.  She  further opined that  if the HSQE  is a                                                               
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graduation exam, it shouldn't  test students on 8  and  10  grade                                                               
level material.   She suggested that the WorkKeys  program may be                                                               
more effective than the HSQE.   Representative Wilson then turned                                                               
to  the October  attendance  counts upon  which school  districts                                                               
receive their  formula funding.   She suggested that  perhaps the                                                               
attendance counts should occur in the  spring as well in order to                                                               
create  an incentive  for schools  to make  the effort  to retain                                                               
students through the year.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  recalled that when  he was the  principal of                                                               
an alternative  high school,  he received  a number  of referrals                                                               
after the October  attendance count but never  prior.  Therefore,                                                               
the  high school  was  allowed  to count  that  student in  their                                                               
formula fund  base.  In  this case, students become  a commodity,                                                               
which he indicated wasn't appropriate.   Commissioner LeDoux said                                                               
that  there is  merit to  reviewing alternative  attendance count                                                               
dates.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:26:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  remarked that  he  believes  the committee  is  in                                                               
agreement that the  [attendance count dates] are  an area needing                                                               
review.    He  recalled  a similar  situation  with  the  Student                                                               
Military Academy  when it experienced  an extremely  high dropout                                                               
rate after the attendance count period.   In order to address the                                                               
aforementioned,  the legislature  changed the  incentive and  the                                                               
program  was realigned  in order  to  avoid a  high dropout  rate                                                               
after  the  attendance  count  period.   He  requested  that  EED                                                               
prepare  a proposal  [addressing  the effects  of the  attendance                                                               
count] for the committee's review.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:28:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  opined that  the HSQE  isn't the  enemy as                                                               
there has  been much  written about  the last  two years  of high                                                               
school being wasted.  The HSQE  is providing a tool that wouldn't                                                               
be very wise to just throw out, he said.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:29:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON, referring  to his memorandum dated  March 13, 2009,                                                               
pointed  out   that  Item   2  specifies   [original  punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     If students  take and  pass all  three sections  of the                                                                    
     High  School  Qualifying   Exam  prior  to  graduation,                                                                    
     school districts  will pay for  these students  to take                                                                    
     college  credits or  vocational school  credits.   This                                                                    
     could  allow  students  to  be   on  their  way  to  an                                                                    
     associate degree  or vocational ed. certificate  by the                                                                    
     time they have graduated high  school.  The High School                                                                    
     Qualifying  Exam  has  been  identified  as  a  problem                                                                    
     because  students  interpret  that passing  exam  means                                                                    
     they have  met their  high school  qualifying criteria,                                                                    
     leading   to  students   losing   interest  in   school                                                                    
     afterward.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:31:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  remarked that it  doesn't matter whether  a student                                                               
convinces a  parent that [passing  the HSQE means he/she  has met                                                               
the high  school qualifying criteria],  but rather  the student's                                                               
internal  motivation to  complete  the final  two  years of  high                                                               
school  is   important.    He   requested  a  comment   from  the                                                               
commissioner regarding the point at  which it's determined that a                                                               
student  should  be  educated   differently  or  allowed  greater                                                               
opportunity  through distance  courses  from colleges  throughout                                                               
the U.S.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:31:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX related  his belief that the  final two years                                                               
of  high   school  should  provide   the  student   with  maximum                                                               
flexibility.  "The  idea of keeping kids in  classrooms and seats                                                               
for four years  is a thing of  the past," he remarked.   The last                                                               
two  years  of  high  school should  provide  students  with  the                                                               
opportunity  for   apprenticeships,  college   courses,  distance                                                               
education,  and opportunities  to  explore  their own  interests.                                                               
The opportunities  should be individualized and  connect students                                                               
to a broader  vision.  He noted that many  high schools in Alaska                                                               
offer  opportunities  for  co-credit for  college  courses  taken                                                               
while in high  school.  One school district,  for example, offers                                                               
college courses for  free while another offers such  courses at a                                                               
reduced rate.   Commissioner LeDoux emphasized the  need for high                                                               
school reform  to be at the  top of the agenda  because the needs                                                               
of youth  today are very complex.   To treat every  youth exactly                                                               
the same, is to treat them  unfairly, he opined.  He related that                                                               
the main  reason a student  drops out  of high school  is because                                                               
he/she feels  disconnected from the  system.  However,  a student                                                               
who is  engaged in and  has a  vision for his/her  future doesn't                                                               
try to escape  school after passing the HSQE.   Many who pass the                                                               
HSQE and leave  school are not planning to go  to college; rather                                                               
they  just want  out of  school  in order  to get  on with  their                                                               
lives.   Too many schools  in Alaska  are giving credit  for seat                                                               
time,  he  said.    He  further said,  "Learning  should  be  the                                                               
constant  and  seat time  should  be  the  variable."   Adding  a                                                               
requirement,  such   as  a  civics  credit,   will  decrease  the                                                               
graduation rate in some areas  and decrease a student's option to                                                               
explore  areas of  interest.    High school  methods  need to  be                                                               
reformed  and what  is being  suggested is  a step  in the  right                                                               
direction, he opined.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:35:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX,  in  further   response  to  Chair  Seaton,                                                               
reiterated his  belief that Chair  Seaton's suggestion is  a step                                                               
in the  right direction.  However,  Commissioner LeDoux expressed                                                               
concern  with  spot zoning  [in  which  reform  is done  only  in                                                               
spots].   He pointed out that  schools today look much  like they                                                               
did 50  years ago and  aren't flexible enough.   In fact,  one of                                                               
the  reasons alternative  schools are  necessary is  because they                                                               
wrap the  program around  the needs of  the student,  rather than                                                               
expecting  the student  to  fit into  a  program of  instruction.                                                               
Therefore, Commissioner LeDoux  characterized Chair Seaton's idea                                                               
as one step in what  Commissioner LeDoux would rather have occur,                                                               
a comprehensive  plan for high school  reform.  He opined  that a                                                               
comprehensive  plan for  high  school reform  will  result in  an                                                               
increase in the  graduation rate and produce youth  who are ready                                                               
to  work  and/or  enter college.    Furthermore,  schools  aren't                                                               
currently  tied to  the  regulation  of seat  time  and have  the                                                               
ability to  award credit to  those with the understanding  of the                                                               
content desired.   Commissioner  LeDoux said  he wasn't  sure all                                                               
the schools knew the aforementioned.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:38:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  surmised  then  that  regulations  are  such  that                                                               
students are allowed  to test out of a course  and obtain credits                                                               
for it.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX answered that's  the case theoretically.  The                                                               
regulation specifies that the local  school board has the ability                                                               
to establish  courses that  would give  credit to  those students                                                               
who indicate  they have mastered  the content.   School districts                                                               
aren't  restricted  to   the  Carnegie  unit  of   180  hours  of                                                               
instruction   for  a   credit.     Therefore,  although   there's                                                               
flexibility, he  wasn't sure that everyone  knows it's available.                                                               
Furthermore,  it's  difficult  to  reorganize  the  state's  high                                                               
schools.    He  pointed  out   that  there  are  some  incredible                                                               
alternative  schools,  which  should   become  the  state's  high                                                               
schools.   The unfortunate reality  is that many  students aren't                                                               
passing  the HSQE,  even set  at the  8th grade  level, which  he                                                               
characterized   as    a   professional   embarrassment.       The                                                               
aforementioned is indicative of the need to do systemic reform.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:39:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON recalled  receiving  information  that the  Chugach                                                               
School District  has a 98 percent  graduation rate.  He  asked if                                                               
that school  district have more  resources, or is it  a different                                                               
model of education.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:39:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX acknowledged that  when the Chugach model was                                                               
first  initiated,  the  [Chugach  School District]  had  lots  of                                                               
funding.   However,  the  most important  aspect  of the  Chugach                                                               
model is  that the  entire community  stands behind  the program.                                                               
He opined that a standards-based  program must have community and                                                               
teacher support as  well as longevity.  A number  of districts in                                                               
the state  are using the  Chugach model  in which once  a student                                                               
masters  standards  in certain  content,  the  student moves  on.                                                               
Part of the problem with  such programs is staff development; the                                                               
teachers  require extensive  training in  the model  because most                                                               
colleges don't  train teachers in  these models.   Therefore, the                                                               
program doesn't work well in  districts with lots of teacher turn                                                               
over.  In  fact, some of the state's  lowest performing districts                                                               
utilize standards-based  models.  "It's  not one size  fits all,"                                                               
Commissioner  LeDoux  remarked.    Therefore,  he  believes  that                                                               
across  the  state  schools,  such as  Kodiak  High  School,  are                                                               
blending a  standards-based program with Carnegie  units, college                                                               
classes, etcetera.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX then turned  the committee's attention to the                                                               
Alaska Education  plan, which includes three  pages of graduation                                                               
expectations.  "For a moment I  could share with you what I would                                                               
really love to  see, at some point,  and we're not far  off if we                                                               
had a community  and district.  Is  ... to sit down  at the start                                                               
of  a child's  8th grade  year,  and to  give them  an option  of                                                               
graduation if  they meet all  of these standards."   He explained                                                               
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that it begins in 8   grade because that's when one really begins                                                               
to mentally prepare  for what you're going to do  in high school.                                                               
Every  child  has  a  committee/panel  with  whom  they  build  a                                                               
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portfolio starting  in 8  grade.   The child explains  how he/she                                                               
will meet  the standards/expectations and present  a portfolio to                                                               
the  aforementioned  committee/panel  for approval  to  graduate.                                                               
Such  ideas are  being reviewed  as part  of high  school reform.                                                               
Commissioner  LeDoux  related his  belief  in  the need  for  the                                                               
standards-based movement  to be incorporated into  the graduation                                                               
portfolio.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:42:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BUCH  surmised   that  Commissioner   LeDoux  is                                                               
describing a model in which every child has an advocate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX reiterated  his  earlier  comments that  the                                                               
primary need  of young people  is to feel connected,  valued, and                                                               
visible.    He  informed  the  committee  that  he  recently  put                                                               
together  a standing  committee with  the goal  of improving  the                                                               
graduation rate.  The committee  consists of individuals who work                                                               
with at-risk students.   At the first  meeting, committee members                                                               
were asked to specify on a  note card the primary reason students                                                               
do not  graduate.  Every note  card said that the  primary reason                                                               
students don't  graduate is  because of  the lack  of connection.                                                               
Students need an advocate, he said.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:43:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  then said  that perhaps  the goal  should be                                                               
addressing how to  get the communities involved  to provide these                                                               
advocates.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX confirmed  that it's  one of  the strategies                                                               
necessary to assist students toward  graduation.  He reminded the                                                               
committee  that  there is  no  single  strategy that  will  bring                                                               
education in  the state  to the desired  place, but  rather there                                                               
are many strategies.  Therefore, what  is known to work has to be                                                               
considered.    He informed  the  committee  that one  school  has                                                               
broken  its schedule  into an  advisor/advisee  program in  which                                                               
every  teacher  in the  building  meets  with  a small  group  of                                                               
students.  Such programs are  designed to connect kids with their                                                               
community  and   school.    Such  programs   are  successful,  he                                                               
remarked.   He  then directed  the committee's  attention to  the                                                               
committee packet,  which includes  information on  strategies for                                                               
dropout prevention.   The  aforementioned information  is derived                                                               
from the  National Dropout  Center.   The strategies  discuss the                                                               
school  and  community  perspective, early  interventions,  basic                                                               
support   strategies,  and   making   the   best  of   education.                                                               
Commissioner LeDoux characterized  the aforementioned information                                                               
as a  blue print on  which Alaska needs to  put its "stamp."   He                                                               
expressed hope  that at some  point an Alaska  dropout prevention                                                               
plan will be developed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:45:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  recalled testimony from students  of Juneau's local                                                               
alternative  high school  in which  the students  said that  most                                                               
students drop out  due to problems with a specific  teacher.  The                                                               
students underscored how a person  of authority was a major cause                                                               
for their  decision to drop  out.   Are there exit  interviews of                                                               
those  who  drop  out  to  determine  the  specific  reasons  for                                                               
dropping out, he asked.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX said that in  his experience some students do                                                               
drop out  because of a  conflict with  a teacher.   However, it's                                                               
often difficult for students to  explain why they're dropping out                                                               
of  school.   Often a  student  has so  many things  going on  in                                                               
his/her life  that a  conflict with  a teacher  may be  the final                                                               
straw.   It doesn't take  much to cause a  student with a  lot of                                                               
stress to  drop out of  school, and therefore it's  important for                                                               
there  to be  healthy  alternative programs  for these  students.                                                               
Commissioner LeDoux  recalled his time as  an assistant principal                                                               
when  the  superintendant told  him  that  there will  always  be                                                               
teachers asking  for students to  be removed because  the student                                                               
is  causing trouble.   However,  the  superintendent pointed  out                                                               
there are  no "throw away" kids,  there are just kids  with needs                                                               
that  the school  needs to  address.   If a  student left  school                                                               
because of a conflict with a  teacher, the real problem should be                                                               
identified.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:49:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON   related  her  non-support   for  charter                                                               
schools  due  to  the  fact  that  certain  students  receive  an                                                               
opportunity that others  do not receive.  She  expressed the need                                                               
for  work to  happen  in  public schools  to  create a  wonderful                                                               
environment.     She   then  recalled   the  students   from  the                                                               
alternative high  school in Juneau  who testified that  they were                                                               
invisible  at the  regular  school.   Every  teacher should  take                                                               
their task  seriously in connecting  with the students,  not just                                                               
in  the  alternative or  charter  settings.   Motivation  of  the                                                               
teachers may also  need to be taken on as  a challenge along with                                                               
the other facets being discussed.   She anticipated resistance to                                                               
change, but emphasized the need to proceed.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  related   his  understanding  that  charter                                                               
schools  were initially  opened  because  the [public  education]                                                               
system itself was  unable to change itself.  The  same is true of                                                               
the alternative schools.   In his experience, the  best place for                                                               
students  is the  mainstream school  due to  the many  resources.                                                               
However, for  those students  who are unable  to perform  in that                                                               
setting,  alternative environments  such as  charter schools  are                                                               
important.  In  fact, he recalled President Obama  saying that he                                                               
wanted to eliminate  the cap on charter schools  and desired more                                                               
charter schools throughout the nation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:53:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  surmised then that public  education won't                                                               
be changed, which she characterized as a shame.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  clarified his  intent to utilize  the Alaska                                                               
Education  Plan  to reform  and  reconstruct  high schools.    He                                                               
opined that there are a  very powerful group of principal leaders                                                               
and teachers  in the  state who  want to do  take on  [reform and                                                               
reconstruction].   "I  believe that  Alaska is  ready to  go," he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:53:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER,  referring to the document  entitled "Why                                                               
Students  Drop Out,"  pointed out  that  parental involvement  is                                                               
last on  the list of  why students drop  out.  However,  it seems                                                               
that reason  should be  at the  top of  the list  because without                                                               
parental  involvement  everything  is  an  uphill  battle.    She                                                               
suggested  that parental  involvement  affords  the student  more                                                               
resilience for say  the teacher with whom he/she  has a conflict.                                                               
Representative  Gardner   opined  that  the  document   seems  to                                                               
understate the role of parents in student success.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX noted  his agreement  that parental  support                                                               
for  education and  teachers is  critical to  success.   However,                                                               
it's  the  area in  which  the  education  system has  the  least                                                               
ability to control in terms of changing the graduation rate.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:55:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   LEDOUX,  in   response  to   Representative  Buch,                                                               
clarified that national research  indicates that about 50 percent                                                               
of students come from single parent  or broken homes.  He said he                                                               
would provide the committee data on that statistic.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:56:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON, referring  to his memorandum dated  March 13, 2009,                                                               
pointed  out  that  Item  1   proposes  the  following  [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     As  we have  discussed, there  is a  disconnect between                                                                    
     seat-time and  competency for  purposes of  high school                                                                    
     graduation.   The  Department  of  Education and  Early                                                                    
                                                           th                                                                   
     Development currently  has a  requirement that all  11                                                                     
     graders take  the WorkKeys Assessment.   We could build                                                                    
     on this  by requiring  that the WorkKeys  Assessment be                                                                    
     taken  before exiting  high  school,  and having  those                                                                    
     competency  evaluations  be  placed on  the  graduation                                                                    
     certificate.   This  would be  an attempt  to not  just                                                                    
     base a diploma on seat time,  but would be a measure of                                                                    
     competency as well.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  offered that the aforementioned  would also provide                                                               
an additional  incentive to  complete high school.   He  asked if                                                               
the  diploma   having  additional   meaning  from   the  WorkKeys                                                               
Assessment would be  valuable.  He further asked  if the WorkKeys                                                               
Assessment would be an appropriate assessment.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX noted  his  agreement that  there should  be                                                               
assessment  information attached  to the  graduation certificate.                                                               
The  WorkKeys  Assessment,  which  is  respected  throughout  the                                                               
nation,  is  the  current  vehicle being  used.    However,  most                                                               
employers  don't ask  to review  a  high school  transcript.   He                                                               
opined that providing  solid assessment data that  has meaning to                                                               
employers  would be  appropriate.   Furthermore, it  adds another                                                               
layer  of accountability  to the  student.   Commissioner  LeDoux                                                               
echoed  his   earlier  comment  that   students  will   meet  the                                                               
standards,  even  if they  are  raised.   Furthermore,  when  the                                                               
WorkKeys Assessment is taken early  enough it informs the student                                                               
and the parent regarding the skills the student needs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:59:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked if the WorkKeys  Assessment has to be paid for                                                               
each time it's taken or can  it be made available on the Internet                                                               
      th                                                                                                                        
for  8   graders.   He  then  asked at  what  grade the  WorkKeys                                                               
Assessment would be beneficial to implement.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  explained that  the WorkKeys  Assessment has                                                               
    th                                                                                                                          
an 8   grade component that is web-based.   At the highest level,                                                               
the WorkKeys Assessment  is a rigorous and informative  exam.  He                                                               
said that he  is concerned about informing  students and parents,                                                               
which he characterized as critical.   Commissioner LeDoux related                                                               
his  belief that  a standard  at the  graduation level  will work                                                               
backwards  and thus  prepare children  for the  exam.   He opined                                                               
that the WorkKeys  Assessment is a vehicle [for  graduation].  In                                                               
fact,  some   states  are  using   the  WorkKeys   Assessment  in                                                               
conjunction  with  academic assessments  in  order  to perform  a                                                               
final evaluation of  students.  At this point, the  state is only                                                               
using  the   math,  reading,  and  locating   information  skills                                                               
components of the WorkKeys Assessment.   The formula component of                                                               
WorkKeys  Assessment isn't  be used.   Commissioner  LeDoux noted                                                               
there  have been  some problems  with  the pilot  implementation,                                                               
which is mainly  attributable to inadequate technology.   At this                                                               
point,  Commissioner  LeDoux  expressed  interest  in  using  the                                                               
written model because  it works, is reliable, and  the only worry                                                               
is losing it in the mail.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:02:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked if the test can  be sent by disc to be used on                                                               
a local computer, or does it have to be used on the web.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX informed the  committee that assessments such                                                               
as these  are very proprietary.   If the expansion of  broad band                                                               
is  successful,   the  existing   technology  problems   will  be                                                               
eliminated.   Commissioner LeDoux expressed frustration  with the                                                               
technical difficulties that get in the  way of the quality of the                                                               
pilot.   Therefore,  the  WorkKeys Assessment  is  being done  on                                                               
paper due to the technology issues.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:03:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  asked if the stimulus  package for schools                                                               
includes funds for expanding bandwidth.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  informed the  committee that the  broad band                                                               
component  of the  stimulus package  is  not located  in the  EED                                                               
section.  The University of  Alaska and others, including EED, is                                                               
exploring  [the broad  band component]  and the  discussions have                                                               
been  collaborative.   He related  the  hope that  at some  point                                                               
there will  be a comprehensive  broad band initiative  in Alaska,                                                               
even   without  the   stimulus  package,   to  ensure   that  all                                                               
communities  have access  for education  as well  as medical  and                                                               
commercial uses.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:04:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  asked whether using  the WorkKeys  Assessment would                                                               
be premature.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX explained  that  EED has  a regulation  that                                                               
will  require districts  to  administer  the WorkKeys  Assessment                                                               
program.    With  regard  to  the  HSQE  and  developing  quality                                                               
assessments  that inform  teachers, students,  and parents,  [the                                                               
state]  needs to  take a  comprehensive review  of how  to assess                                                               
success in  Alaska's schools.   Therefore, it would  be premature                                                               
to say that the WorkKeys  Assessment will be the principle method                                                               
for assessment.   Commissioner  LeDoux related  his hope  to have                                                               
quality  discussions  about  this  topic  rather  than  react  to                                                               
topics, which costs money.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:06:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  indicated that legislation  could be  introduced in                                                               
order  to illustrate  the legislature's  intent of  accomplishing                                                               
achievement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:07:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARDNER  directed   attention  to   the  dropout                                                               
statistics encompassed  in the March  9, 2009,  handout, entitled                                                               
"Graduation Rates  in Alaska Fact  Sheet."  The  data illustrates                                                               
that from 2004-2008 the drop-out  rates are consistently falling,                                                               
albeit  slightly.    However,  the  dropout  rates  for  students                                                               
identified  for special  education  services are  climbing.   She                                                               
requested discussion on the aforementioned.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX pointed out  that the document entitled "What                                                               
do  we know  about  Dropouts and  Why"  includes predicators  and                                                               
factors associated with dropouts  for students with disabilities.                                                               
While  many   of  the  alterable   variables  of   students  with                                                               
disabilities and  those without  disabilities are the  same, more                                                               
time  for the  student to  become mainstreamed,  a provision  for                                                               
tutoring  services,  training  for  competitive  employment,  and                                                               
attending  schools that  maintain  high  expectations of  special                                                               
education students  are associated  with a greater  likelihood of                                                               
graduation.    Special  education  students  need  special  care,                                                               
attention,  as  well  as  the  same  things  as  other  students.                                                               
Commissioner LeDoux  opined that special education  students need                                                               
more  attention given  to the  skills necessary  to obtain  jobs;                                                               
these are transitioning skills that are  required by law.  It may                                                               
be, he remarked, that the  HSQE for special education students is                                                               
causing problems in Alaska.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The committee was at ease from 9:10 a.m. to 9:30 a.m.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Although there  were technical  difficulties, the  recording was                                                               
not impacted.]                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:30:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER   readdressed  the  increasing   rate  of                                                               
special  education dropouts  versus the  decrease in  the overall                                                               
dropout  rate.   She  then  turned to  the  packet entitled  "Why                                                               
Students  Drop  Out,"  in which  one  document  entitled  "TWENTY                                                               
QUESTIONS TO END  THE DROPOUT CRISIS IN YOUR  COMMUNITY" asks the                                                               
following  question:   "Does  your  community  not expel  primary                                                               
students  nor   over-identify  students  for   special  education                                                               
services?"  She remarked that this  is the first she's ever heard                                                               
about  over-identifying  students   receiving  special  education                                                               
services.    However,  if students  receiving  special  education                                                               
services  are  being  over-identified, that  should  bring  rates                                                               
down, she surmised.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX opined  that schools  make every  attempt to                                                               
identify  students who  qualify for  special education  services.                                                               
He pointed  out that many  students enter school lacking  some of                                                               
the necessary skills and quickly  fall behind.  As those students                                                               
fall  behind  it  can  become  cumulative.    Furthermore,  these                                                               
students  are sometimes  referred to  special education  services                                                               
due to deficiencies in reading and  other skills.  He opined that                                                               
sometimes there's a  subtle push to qualify  students for special                                                               
education services  because it allows  extra help.   However, the                                                               
decision  regarding  whether  a  student  qualifies  for  special                                                               
education  services  is  decided  by   a  team.    Regarding  the                                                               
graduation   rate  for   those  students   with  special   needs,                                                               
Commission LeDoux  explained that  often one  of the  criteria is                                                               
already at least  two years behind.  Therefore,  he expressed the                                                               
need to  review the assessment  system and performance  over time                                                               
to   determine  whether   there's  a   steady  increase   in  the                                                               
performance of the state's special  education students.  Although                                                               
the  special education  students aren't  graduating, they  may be                                                               
improving, he suggested.   He pointed out  that special education                                                               
students can attend  [public] school until age 21.   He explained                                                               
that  the cohort,  from which  graduation and  dropout rates  are                                                               
determined, is based  on those students that were  to graduate in                                                               
four years  and doesn't  take into  consideration that  a special                                                               
education student may need to attend  high school for five to six                                                               
years.   A  fifth-year  senior isn't  counted  as graduating,  he                                                               
said.   Commissioner LeDoux  informed the  committee that  if the                                                               
data of how  many freshmen ultimately receive a  diploma, GED, or                                                               
a school completion certificate is  included, the rate is higher,                                                               
in  the 80-90  percent range.    Last year  Anchorage reported  a                                                               
steady  increase in  the performance  of their  special education                                                               
students, which  he opined  would be the  case in  many districts                                                               
throughout the state.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:35:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON,  also referring  to the  document entitled                                                               
"TWENTY QUESTIONS TO  END THE DROPOUT CRISIS  IN YOUR COMMUNITY,"                                                               
directed  attention to  the first  question,  which includes  the                                                               
question:   "Which middle schools  send students to  high schools                                                               
with  low  graduation rates?"    She  asked whether  EED  reviews                                                               
whether students are lacking in  areas by the time those students                                                               
arrive  at middle  schools and  intervene [at  the middle  school                                                               
level] or wait until the crisis arises                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  answered that  NCLB allows EED  to intervene                                                               
in districts  that aren't meeting average  yearly progress (AYP).                                                               
Through Senate Bill  285 of 2008, the State of  Alaska allows EED                                                               
to  intervene   in  individual  schools.     Commissioner  LeDoux                                                               
emphasized  that   schools  closely  review   their  school-based                                                               
assessment  data,  which is  used  as  the basis  for  individual                                                               
school  improvement   plans.    Therefore,   Commissioner  LeDoux                                                               
related his  belief that every school  has a plan to  improve the                                                               
success of  their student body based  on the SBAs.   He said that                                                               
the SBAs can be plotted out and provided to the committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:37:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX,  in   response  to  Representative  Wilson,                                                               
related that students are more  successful when they have quality                                                               
teachers.    Furthermore,  all   high  performance  schools  have                                                               
quality   principals   and   have    districts   that   have   an                                                               
administrative structure  that provides support for  teachers and                                                               
principals.    He   acknowledged  that  in  Alaska   there  is  a                                                               
leadership problem  in some  cases.   One of  the core  areas the                                                               
district is seeking  to address in order to  increase the success                                                               
of students is to improve  the leadership in school districts and                                                               
schools.    The   weakness  in  leadership  is   often  found  in                                                               
chronically low-performing schools.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:38:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  opined that reform and  systemic problems in                                                               
Alaska's schools  will take time.   He then pointed out  that one                                                               
of the  components that may  need to  be addressed is  the public                                                               
awareness and involvement in these discussions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  related that EED  has worked hard  to expand                                                               
the  involvement  of  the  public with  regard  to  developing  a                                                               
comprehensive  plan.     The   department's  first   step  toward                                                               
improving public  education was  to expand public  involvement in                                                               
developing a  comprehensive plan.   Therefore, the first  step of                                                               
the educational  summit was to  bring together 450  people across                                                               
the state  to publicly discuss  the challenges that  Alaska faces                                                               
from  early  learning  to  obtaining   a  successful  job.    The                                                               
aforementioned was a very public  process and as the results were                                                               
analyzed,  the Alaska  Education  Plan was  published.   Comments                                                               
have  been solicited  and integrated  in the  action plan.   That                                                               
plan  will  be  brought  before   the  Alaska  School  Board  for                                                               
approval.  Once  approved by the board, it will  be published and                                                               
sent out  statewide.  The  process defined in the  education plan                                                               
also involves the  public in that specific work  groups have been                                                               
brought together to develop specific  action plans to achieve the                                                               
specified  goals.   The aforementioned  is  being done  now.   He                                                               
informed the  committee that by  this summer, all of  the actions                                                               
of  the   Alaska  Education  Plan  will   have  specific  actions                                                               
specified.   Additionally,  Commissioner LeDoux  related that  he                                                               
has been  traveling throughout  the state  to talk  with Alaskans                                                               
regarding  educational  issues.    He  characterized  the  Alaska                                                               
Education Plan  as an invite to  anyone who would like  to become                                                               
involved in improving  education in the state.   He mentioned his                                                               
hope to work  more with principal associations  because they need                                                               
to  be involved  in their  own leadership  development.   He then                                                               
noted that he  has worked closely with the  Alaska Association of                                                               
School  Boards and  the Alaska  Council of  School Administrators                                                               
and  has met  with representatives  of the  state Parent  Teacher                                                               
Association.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:43:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ   related  that  many  of   the  strategies                                                               
discussed to [address the dropout  rate] have been implemented in                                                               
Juneau.   Strategies  such as  alternative  high schools,  career                                                               
academies,  and   vocational  education  have   been  successful.                                                               
However,  in the  Juneau  School  District one  of  four to  five                                                               
students don't graduate.   Furthermore, 54 percent  of the Native                                                               
students aren't  graduating.  Therefore,  she expressed  the need                                                               
for a bold step to turn  around the aforementioned.  She recalled                                                               
that  the former  principal of  the alternative  high school  has                                                               
expressed  the   need  to   strengthen  the   state's  compulsory                                                               
attendance laws.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  LEDOUX  related  his agreement  that  the  existing                                                               
compulsory attendance  law should be strengthened.   He explained                                                               
that  around  the  state  parents aren't  being  sued  for  their                                                               
children not  attending school because  the parents can  just say                                                               
that they're homeschooling  their child.  He  clarified that this                                                               
has nothing to do with  the outstanding home school programs that                                                               
are available.   He expressed the need to know  how many children                                                               
are in Alaska and how many aren't attending school.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:47:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  inquired  as to  the  commissioner's  thoughts  on                                                               
raising the compulsory attendance age to 18.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER LEDOUX  clarified that  EED doesn't have  an opinion                                                               
on the  legislation proposing to raise  the compulsory attendance                                                               
age.     However,   he  characterized   raising  the   compulsory                                                               
attendance age as  having pros and cons.  If  students don't want                                                               
to attend, it  becomes an administrative difficulty.   If raising                                                               
the compulsory attendance age is used  to develop a plan to allow                                                               
a  child to  graduate, it  could be  a good  thing, he  surmised.                                                               
Still, using a higher compulsory  age to force students who don't                                                               
want to attend  school to do so  could be negative, he  said.  He                                                               
noted that  raising the compulsory  attendance age could  also be                                                               
used to  bring students to  crisis so  that they are  expelled or                                                               
forced  to leave  in  some  other way.    There  is research,  he                                                               
related,  that indicates  raising the  compulsory attendance  age                                                               
improve  the graduation  rate  nationally.   Commissioner  LeDoux                                                               
said that  he didn't know  how raising the  compulsory attendance                                                               
age would  play out in Alaska.   He noted that  other states have                                                               
more  stringent  compulsory  attendance laws,  and  therefore  he                                                               
questioned   what  would   be  accomplished   with  raising   the                                                               
compulsory attendance  age, but  not providing  any [enforcement]                                                               
teeth to the entire spectrum of compulsory attendance.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:50:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER DOUNAY,  Senior Policy Analyst, Education  Commission of                                                               
the  States,  referring  to her  presentation  entitled  "Dropout                                                               
Prevention:    Recent  Research   and  State  Policy  Responses,"                                                               
directed the committee's attention  to the slide entitled "Middle                                                               
grades."   The  aforementioned slide  relates the  findings of  a                                                               
2007 Johns  Hopkins study.   The study  found that 60  percent of                                                               
the students who  eventually dropout can be identified  by one or                                                               
more  of the  following  grade 6  indicators:   failing  English,                                                               
failing  math, attendance  80 percent  or less,  or receiving  at                                                               
least  one  out-of-school  suspension.     When  a  student,  for                                                               
example,  failed  English  and  had the  behavior  or  attendance                                                               
indicator,   the  likelihood   of  that   student  dropping   out                                                               
increased.   The study also  found that most  students positively                                                               
responded to  general interventions, such as  getting the message                                                               
to parents  and students that  English and math grades  matter as                                                               
does attendance  and behavior.   Ms. Dounay further  related that                                                               
15-20 percent didn't respond  to the aforementioned intervention.                                                               
Therefore, if the student doesn't  attend school one day, a phone                                                               
call to  the student's  parents and  talking one-on-one  with the                                                               
student on a daily basis could  be helpful.  Only 5-10 percent of                                                               
students didn't  respond to  the aforementioned  intervention and                                                               
social  services and/or  counseling had  to be  utilized for  the                                                               
student  and/or family.   Ms.  Dounay  said that  she likes  this                                                               
research because  it utilizes  information that  school districts                                                               
already have, and  therefore it's relatively low cost.   She then                                                               
related  that Mississippi  has developed  a middle  grade dropout                                                               
prevention  program  that  is  modeled   on  a  successful  Maine                                                               
program.    Directing  attention  to the  slide  entitled  "State                                                               
policy  responses,"  Ms.  Dounay   highlighted  that  in  Georgia                                                               
graduation coaches are used in  middle schools, which have proven                                                               
to  have  some  positive  results  so  far.    Rhode  Island  and                                                               
Louisiana  enacted  legislation  requiring  the  state  board  to                                                               
identify interventions for districts  with graduation rates below                                                               
a certain  threshold.   One of  the options  the boards  in these                                                               
states  can  choose  for a  district  is  supplemental  education                                                               
programs  or coaching  for middle  grade students  who are  below                                                               
grade level in reading or math.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:54:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY,   referring  to  the   slide  entitled   "Rigor  and                                                               
Relevance," related  that many studies  have found  that students                                                               
who  are  held  to  higher  expectations  typically  have  higher                                                               
graduation  rates.   In  fact,  in 2006  there  was  a survey  of                                                               
dropouts  between the  age  of  16-24 that  were  asked why  they                                                               
dropped  out  and  what  would've   made  them  stay  in  school.                                                               
Although  there were  a number  of responses,  one of  the common                                                               
messages  was  that  teachers  didn't  expect  much  out  of  the                                                               
students.   There are  several different  approaches in  terms of                                                               
rigor  and relevance.    She highlighted  dual  enrollment.   She                                                               
informed the committee that ECS  has launched a state database on                                                               
dual  enrollment  policies based  on  a  review of  statutes  and                                                               
regulations in  the 50  states.  Although  ECS didn't  identify a                                                               
statewide program in  Alaska, she said she  understood that there                                                               
are some  local programs.   She related  that there are  some key                                                               
issues when  establishing a statewide  policy that are  likely to                                                               
increase  access, including  students  who  have been  disengaged                                                               
from high school.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:55:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY continued  with the  slide entitled  "Rigor:   Higher                                                               
expectations  (and supports)."   Based  on research  performed by                                                               
ACP and private researchers, ECS  has defined a college and work-                                                               
ready core  as the  following:   4 units  of English,  Algebra I,                                                               
geometry,  Algebra II,  3  lab sciences,  and  3 social  studies.                                                               
While most of the unit requirements  are in place in Alaska, most                                                               
of Alaska's rules don't have specificity  in terms of the type of                                                               
courses students can complete to earn Carnegie units.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:55:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON,  returning attention  to the slide  entitled "Rigor                                                               
and relevance,"  pointed out  that it  mentions proficiency-based                                                               
credit.   He requested  that Ms.  Dounay relate  the proficiency-                                                               
based requirement to the rigor requirements.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY  explained that in  a number  of states a  student may                                                               
complete Carnegie units by  demonstrating proficiency versus seat                                                               
time.   She  offered  to  provide the  committee  with copies  of                                                               
policy briefs of  this matter.  When discussing how  to make high                                                               
school more  meaningful, one must  realize that a  growing number                                                               
of  states are  moving to  a  proficiency based  policy in  which                                                               
students  who demonstrate  proficiency  can move  on rather  than                                                               
have to fulfill  seat-time requirements.  She  offered to provide                                                               
the committee with ECS's forthcoming  policy brief on these types                                                               
of state policies.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:57:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY moved  on to  the slide  entitled "College/work-ready                                                               
core."  She related that  raising the Carnegie unit requirements,                                                               
even   when  there's   a  proficiency   piece  in   place,  isn't                                                               
necessarily  enough.    Many  other  considerations  need  to  be                                                               
addressed, including end-of-course or  other means to demonstrate                                                               
attainment  of standards,  which are  often end  of course  exams                                                               
that are a  statewide assessment.  Ms. Dounay said  that one must                                                               
also consider  the need for  high quality,  targeted remediation.                                                               
The ECS compiled  a 50-state database on  remediation policies in                                                               
2007.  The study found that  many states don't actually require a                                                               
student  who isn't  meeting  a certain  threshold  to go  through                                                               
remediation, which is  something that Alaska may  want to review.                                                               
There is  research that suggests when  career technical education                                                               
(CTE)  teachers   team  with  a  traditional   math  teacher  who                                                               
integrates  the  traditional  component  into  the  CTE  program,                                                               
students  who participate  in the  aforementioned score  about as                                                               
well  as traditional  academic students  on math  assessments and                                                               
better than  CTE students without  the integrated approach.   The                                                               
aforementioned  has no  impact  on the  skills  acquired in  CTE.                                                               
Just within  the last week or  two, Kansas has announced  that it                                                               
is going to utilize math and CTE grants statewide.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:59:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  asked if  integrated means  that there  is a                                                               
practical means  for the  math to  be introduced  and that  it is                                                               
displayed in different ways.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. DOUNAY  replied yes.   For example,  a drafting  course could                                                               
integrate traditional Algebra or  geometry components rather than                                                               
the student  being required to complete  the traditional Carnegie                                                               
unit for the math course.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:00:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DOUNAY, continuing  with the  slide entitled  "College/work-                                                               
ready core," highlighted the need  to backmap from high school to                                                               
the  earlier  grades.    Therefore,  to  accommodate  the  higher                                                               
expectations  at the  high school  level, the  curriculum at  the                                                               
elementary and middle grade levels should be "beefed up."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   SEATON  offered   to  have   Ms.   Dounay  continue   her                                                               
presentation at a future meeting, to which she agreed.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:01:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 10:02 a.m.                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
drop out materials from Karen Martinsen.pdf HEDC 3/16/2009 8:00:00 AM
2003-2004 Dropout Statistics.xls HEDC 3/16/2009 8:00:00 AM
Drop-out discussion materials.pdf HEDC 3/11/2009 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/16/2009 8:00:00 AM
NevadaDropoutPreventionNov2008.ppt HEDC 3/16/2009 8:00:00 AM